Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umdhlebi

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 10:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Umdhlebi

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Fails GNG due to lack of significant, lasting RS coverage. Topic is based entirely on two accounts from the 1880s, and a WP:BEFORE search did not return any more recent coverage aside from fringe/cryptozoological sources. There is no evidence of significance as a myth or as a potential species. –dlthewave ☎ 19:45, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to lack of reliable sources. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 13:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to lack of reliable sources. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:14, 24 December 2019 (UTC) It looks like the reliable sources have been found, but the article may need to be renamed all together to meet the rewrite. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
'Delete as above – no reliable sources. Peter coxhead (talk) 12:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Dartslilly (talk) 01:14, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment anyone bothering to search alternate spellings? umdhlebe umdlebe. Places that would tend to exclude more unreliable sources? umdlebe umdhlebe umdhlebi. How about looking for Dead-man's Tree? "Synadenium cupulare" umdlebe "Euphorbia cupularis" umdlebe?—eric 14:03, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Tropp, Jacob (2003). "The Python and the Crying Tree". The International Journal of African Historical Studies. 36 (3): 511–532. is probably the best bet for working out the scope and name of the article.—eric 14:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~WP:TNT~~ multiple topics associated with umdlebe
1. Dead Man's Tree, synadenium cupulare, shaka dingane "umdlebe" "ezinye ziyofa umdlebe"
2. Henry Callaway's account
3. Crying Tree, Nome, possibly Chionanthus foveolatus or Chionanthus peglerae, Nocu forest near Mthatha, umdlebe nome near as i can tell only from Tropp
- Tropp connects all three, all are connected by zulu word umdlebe, common names "Dead Man's Tree" AND "Crying Tree" connected. Topic should be Dead Man's Tree with redirects from Umdhlebi, Umdlebe, synadenium cupulare et al. Probably can mention Callaway and other uses of umdlebe in the article, but that shouldn't be the primary topic.—eric 17:21, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve per suggestions by eric. BD2412 T 19:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Euphorbia cupularis (most of the Euphorbia are under the binomial name unless well known like Poinsettia). Made some edits.—eric 03:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve, as above; discussions on that can continue on talk page. Inherently notable. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:27, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. Seems moderately notable.Slatersteven (talk) 13:49, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. Seems to be well sourced.--Auric talk 16:08, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this is really a traditional name for an actual species, it should probably be a merge/redirect to the species's page (or renamed to reflect it, with redirects created for other common names)... —Paleo Neonate – 06:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve/expand. = paul2520 (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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